Thruxton Thruxton R Misfire

Discussion in 'Thruxton, Scrambler & Trident' started by Alan Matthews, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    My 2016 Truxton R with only 1,500kms has developed a misfire problem when the throttle is opened quickly the engine cuts out until I release the throttle and open more slowly then it is mostly OK. Dealer here in Phuket doesn't seem to know what it could be and wants the bike for a week for testing. I don't have so much confidence it the local workshop. Any others had the same problem?
     
  2. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    I won’t pretend to any direct knowledge of the bike but the rapid change in induction pressure (as opposed to a more gradual one) would incline me to suspect an air leak somewhere that weakens the mixture. Soapy water around the inlet manifold, hoses etc., is an easy diy check.
     
  3. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    Thanks for the advice. It doesn't feel like a weak mixture problem but a complete cut out of the engine. I feel that perhaps a sensor is sending wrong information to the management system or perhaps the ECU has become faulty. It is like serious traction control kicking in. Also it doesn't always do it in normal riding so it feels more like an electrical system fault Just wondering if anyone else has had the same problem on any of the current twins.
     
  4. ThruxM

    ThruxM Member

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    Some of us with the new Thruxton have had this cutting out problem - usually when de-clutching to stop at a junction or in my case just as apply throttle to pull away. Mine only did it in in hot weather (by UK standards). The dealer under warranty stripped the inlets and resealed (leaving plenty of grease to show). I'm waiting for the UK summer to see if I still have the problem. I wonder if yours is suffering the same sort of issue - I guess it's pretty warm over there.
     
  5. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    Thanks for the information. It sounds like very similar symptoms to my problem. Yes its nearly always 30 degrees here. Now it is cutting out and misfiring but not stopping whenever I quickly open the throttle and then revives if I close and reopen slowly but only on occasion under normal riding conditions do I get the severe hesitation. I am grateful for the details. I would have thought that it was an electrical fault. You say several have had the same problem, do you know if all were fixed by resealing inlet manifolds? But is it that they have done the work but its not tested. Fancy a drive to the South???:cool: If this is true then clearly Triumph have a problem that would not just be limited to Thruxtons.
    I suppose I am happy I am not alone with this problem.
    Thanks so much for the feedback.
     
  6. ThruxM

    ThruxM Member

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    Correct - they have done the work but at the end of the autumn so I've not had any hot days to test it. In fact they also re-balanced the throttles although they should have done that at the 500 mile service I think. To be honest the dealer did not exactly inspire me with confidence because they claimed they have never heard of the issue, although I'd found references to it both from journalists an on this forum! So my feeling is they did a bit of experimental fiddling and gave it back to me.

    I could be electrical after all, now you suggest it. I'd like to imagine any electrical/sensor failure would flag up an ECU fault code, but I suppose an intermittent/faulty sensor could give marginally false readings when hot, but not far enough out to trigger a fault.

    Plus I do wonder if to achieve the Euro4 compliance they've leaned out the mixture so much that some bikes suffer if not assembled very carefully to fine tolerances. It's a little frustrating that a bike which has been around for a year is still showing these issues.
     
  7. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    Thanks for more clarity. Mine was good for a year but it laid idle for a couple of months due to the monsoon season and when I used it after the layup the problem was there. I haven't taken it in for the week of checking yet. That will be next year. I just wanted to do some homework on the problem. I will post the findings after the dealer does his testing. Thanks again for your input
    Alan
     
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  8. Duke

    Duke New Member

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    Hi there,
    do you really expect your Triumph dealer to admit there is an ongoing problem?
    I've been riding full time now for nearly forty years and heard this time and time again from all the motorcycle dealers over one problem or another.
    I own a 2017 Thruxton R and had similar problems to you. Again, same dealer complacency. I decided to fix the problem myself and upgrade at the same time. I went the hole-hog. Fitted straight through downpipes ( bypassing the cat ) remus pipes and a p/c v.
    Result - no more problems what-so-ever, runs smoother, cleaner and faster. Sound great too!
     
  9. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    Hi Duke, thanks for the info. I did similar to what you have done to your R and got rid of the Cats and airbox etc. on my earlier Thruxton 900 and then re mapped the ECU when Triumph Phuket couldn't get the thing to run right. The thing is the Thruxton R ran perfectly for over a year with aftermarket exhausts (CAT retained) albeit only 1,500kms and then after a monsoon layup for a few months the problem started. It must be fixable problem. I suspect either a sensor or the ECU failure. I like it that the CAT and the straight through exhausts are not too noisy in fact just right for me.
    I will give the dealer a try to fix it but I suspect I will have to mess about with it myself.
     
  10. jenkspj

    jenkspj New Member

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    It seems that a problem like this is frustrating a number of US owners of Thruxton R models. There is much discussion and quite a bit of irritation about it over on Triumph RAT net.
    There is no clear cause, Triumph NA seem mystified but with a number of sets of video evidence have accepted that there is an issue and have, I think, involved Triumph HQ.
    A number of owners are talking about de-catting and an after market tune.
    In the UK the problem seems rare, certainly I've never had any issues. But this tends to support the idea it could be temperature/sensor related.
     
  11. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    Wow thanks for the direction a number of people are having a worse time than me with the TT R's. It seems that the problem is exacerbated in the hotter climates USA and Australia. It appears to be a major problem for Triumph. Mine stalls sometimes at traffic lights as well. Mine probably has the original ECU map and needs upgrading. I will let the dealer have the bike in the New Year and see what happens. Thanks again
     
  12. Sprinter

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    Any word ?
     
  13. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    Not yet as I haven't taken it in to the dealer yet as they were snowed under after the holiday and I didn't want my bike just sitting there. Will keep you posted.
     
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  14. Alan Matthews

    Alan Matthews New Member

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    I got the bike back from the dealer yesterday. They said the main cause of the problem was spark plug caps and that they replaced them with new ones warning me it might happen again as they believe there is a production problem with the caps and HT leads. When testing the bike they heard an arcing around the spark plugs and this pointed them to the problem. I suspect I am not the first with this problem. I have read where several other owners have had the arcing from their plug caps and can see the sparks jumping out of the caps to the head. The bike seemed perfect on the 20 km ride home and none of the previous issues were apparent. They told me they had updated to the latest software but when I checked whether the clock reappeared after switching off and on again as noted by some owners who have the latest software and it didn't. There was no charge even though the bike is over one year old. They said they had claimed from Triumph. They said if the problem reappeared bring it back. I will do further ride testing and see but yesterday it was a dream to ride with no hesitation at any throttle opening.
    While the bike was away I ordered an X-pipe from Marcus at Omega in Bangkok after reading many of the RAT forum comments from many owners who de-catted. This is an interesting dyno test to anyone interested.
    http://www.triumphrat.net/club-cafe...e-definitive-test-results.html#/topics/798745
    I already have great stainless open mufflers and it sounds great but not too loud. I really don't want extra noise but I am interested to see what happens to the performance of the bike when CAT is removed. I will keep you posted.
     
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  15. ThruxM

    ThruxM Member

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    Hi Alan,

    Thanks for the update. My bike's laid up for now but when its running I'll check for arcing in the dark.

    Hope Triumph revise plug cap/leads before warranty expires because each cap alone is around £48. Gone are the old days when they cost peanuts.
     
  16. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Crème de la Crème

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    First thing we did with our jap two strokes back in the late 70’s and 80’s was to change the crappy genuine plug caps for NGK ones, every bike I owned ran better, especially in the wet but I guess plug caps are more complicated these days sometimes incorporating the coil hence the stupid price. :confused:
     
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  17. AdamM-J

    AdamM-J New Member

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    Hi folks, I too have a similar misfire (2016 1200 Thruxton) - it only happens if the throttle is opened fully and quickly (eg whilst overtaking!). If throttle opened slowly/smoothly it seems ok? In terms of eliminating the simpler things first, I’m tempted to start with spark plug caps as I hear they can breakdown over time - does anyone know if these can be replaced without changing the leads or is it one item?
    Any advice gladly received :)
     
  18. Don the Don

    Don the Don Bigger Than The Average Bear

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